The Current situation.

[J1my]

affixes DID in fact work with zackyyy and kvids

affixes DID NOT have a say in wbat zackyyy and kvids could/couldn’t do with some stuff

affixes ACTUALLY let zackyyy and kvids lead a few things

affixes DID make mistakes in his past but everyone does

xd

 

[LukeLovesCandy]

Just, wow.

I appreciate the fact that you took your time to read this out, and I've read your response fully and checked everything you've said. First things first, I feel as though it's only right to, well, apologize for all of this. When I first saw the community response to everything that has unfolded here, let it be the staff resignations, the kb changes on kitpvp and much more, I was certain that this was your doing. I don't have much to comment. I've been here for 2+ years, even made it into the staff team once and, well, got demoted for a mistake. I was always motivated to help this server, and I still am.

I made this thread because I believed that you were a much bigger issue to the server in it's state (which I seem to have been utterly and extremely wrong), so I thought by making this post, compiling everything I got from the resigned staff and further digging into your past, would've by any miracle made it to Skeppy's ears and something would've been done. I was wrong, never felt any worse slandering someone this much. None of us had any idea from what we got told by kvids and zackyy that you had no planning in the horrible changes we've received on Kit. We also didn't have any idea that there are bigger plans happening for Kit by November 1st, and I thank you for sharing that information with us, this "mini reset" has lasted way longer than it should've and we've grown bored of it.

Again, I'm in complete disbelief because of this response, I couldn't possibly imagine that the 2 people who've worked they way up for years from Trainee to Manager would do this and, well, do exactly the opposite of what I mentioned in my thread (turning the staff team against you, and now turned the community against you). I want to properly apologise for slandering you, attempting to ruin your image and ultimately causing such a rebellion in the community, by turning them against you. Not only did I cause such a ruckus here by having the wrong beliefs, but I've completely ruined my image and my chances of ever being able to help this server get back on its feet, I was truly motivated this season to help the server after my denial a few months ago which I tried my hardest to improve upon, only to get denied again by Luke (which I'm still waiting on the examples for my denial reason by the way), which threw me in complete shambles, believing that since you're the new replacement for Mega, you were in charge for all candidates that make it or fail at the end of the seasons, so I want to apologise for this as well.

I've made this thread in hopes that I could've changed Invaded in a positive light, in something that everyone would've enjoyed again to come on and everything, but this got me nowhere, and utterly ruined my image in this community and what I stand for here. I sincerely apologise again for slandering you with this thread, and I wholeheartedly appreciate you coming out and explaining everything that's been going on, as well as getting exciting information regarding KitPvP. If you're truly the saviour we need for this server to get back on its feet, then I personally accept you to be this server's manager.

Your first announcement with the new era gave us a huge light of hope, one that was "too good to be true", but we held our hopes high and looked forward to everything you were going to do, but we were met with that Kit update, which ruined your image for us, but now that we have the full context, I believe we can all stop having this hatred for you, and hopefully have more hope towards what you want to do with Invaded.

However, I still have one question @affixes, why are Moderators being hired externally? Despite managers being hired externally, we can understand that Skeppy may believe that most members of the community are not qualified for this, thus resorting to hiring people externally, but moderators? I believe this should be kept to community members whom have shown potential via applications. Many people believe this is disrespectul towards us who are working our hardest to get somewhere here, have an impact on this server and represent it. I really want to know about this!

And with that out of the way, I've learned my lesson from today onwards, staff matters such as this, should only be resolved or brought up to light by the people that experienced it, not someone from the outside. I'm truly sorry to you affixes, and I'm sorry to the community for making this thread, only to turn this into a rebellion to someone who was not at fault for any of the problems we've faced.

If you would like to talk privately, and set our differences aside (if there is any) I'm open for it. I'm not going to play The Hero anymore ever again, I've made a fool of myself for it and I'm never doing this again.

Id like to touch on your question real quick about why we decided to look into hiring some outside staff. Essentially at the time we had very little staff and as most of you know hackers on kitpvp are a constant. I wanted to make sure hackers were being banned as much as possible while we worked on getting some new trainees accepted and promoted to mod. I don't feel its necessary to hire any other external staff members moving forward, so anyone else who joins the team from a moderator standpoint will be from applying. I want to state that the outside hires did not take any openings from anyone, and everyone still has just as much of a chance to join the team as they did before we brought the outside moderators in. They were a temporary fix to a problem that all of the managers agreed upon.

 

[J1my]

@affixes hand @Zackyyy and @kvids the mic now their turn to talk

 

[Decay]

about staff applications. Kvids and Zack informed me that they should be opened right away. I agreed and gave them full control over this

Out of curiosity, what was your role in the staff applications this season? Overseeing? Decision Making?
I am aware you sat in some of the interviews (the ones I assume you could only make as perhaps you were busy at the time of others) but obviously unsure on bts and your role.

Given you are in need of staff members (as applications were opened and seen in the urgency of your telegram messages) and Lukes message here:

look into hiring some outside staff. Essentially at the time we had very little staff and as most of you know hackers on kitpvp are a constant

it was fairly surprising to see 2 ex sr mods and 1 ex mod (that have an amazing understanding of the community) were denied after the interview process all for the same reasoning without any evidence. Not only that but bringing external moderators in, feels pretty disrespectful towards all 3 of us that dedicated over a year to the team and worked non-stop, all day, every day in making sure the community was a fun and enjoyable place to be. Like you expressed:

Your "truth" comes from people who don't provide any evidence of anything whatsoever.

did you even know about this?
If we could have a chat of some kind, especially with the others that got denied without evidence, would be very nice as currently there is a slight lack of communication and perhaps understanding from our POV.

Other than that appreciate you replying here and will look forward to seeing what the others have to say in response.

 

[Yuki]

Id like to touch on your question real quick about why we decided to look into hiring some outside staff. Essentially at the time we had very little staff and as most of you know hackers on kitpvp are a constant. I wanted to make sure hackers were being banned as much as possible while we worked on getting some new trainees accepted and promoted to mod. I don't feel its necessary to hire any other external staff members moving forward, so anyone else who joins the team from a moderator standpoint will be from applying. I want to state that the outside hires did not take any openings from anyone, and everyone still has just as much of a chance to join the team as they did before we brought the outside moderators in. They were a temporary fix to a problem that all of the managers agreed upon.

Thanks for replying to this Luke, however I'd also like a reply to this, privately, or at least tell Lumboc so he can communicate it to me at least... please?

I was truly motivated this season to help the server after my denial a few months ago which I tried my hardest to improve upon, only to get denied again by Luke (which I'm still waiting on the examples for my denial reason by the way)

 

[playboi_embox]

Luke if you could show any actual evidence of my punishment history or tell me who the people were that you heard from. I would greatly appreciate it. I don't usually make these types of replies but I honestly feel like my application wasn't handled properly. If it had gotten denied for an appropriate reason I wouldn't have minded, but this is absurd especially when I had spoken to one of the old managers and they had no idea why I was denied and they would've had accepted me if they didn't resign.

 

[StepBrah]

Hi all,

I feel it's right to respond to some of the points that are being raised so you can see the situation from another side. Initially we thought maybe responding would only stir more controversy, but I guess it wouldn't hurt to be transparent about some of the things that are being said which just simply aren't true. I do not have the leverage that others have of being part of the server for a long time - but I do have a few things to say that defy some of the arguments that are being made.



This is one of the main arguments so I will elaborate on this first. The picture that is being drawn is that Zack and kvids had no say whatsoever in any of the decision making, which is simply not true. To prove this to you I will provide a complete rundown of events that went down in the management team.

11/09/2021 Discord Prune Incident
One of the first things that happened immediately after I joined, was an accident where members of our Discord were being pruned. Zack notified me about this issue and he made the necessary changes in collaboration with Neon to make sure this wouldn't happened again. He made sure that the permissions were taken away from Discord staff to do this.

17/09/2021 Meeting with didgo
Didgo contacted us about wanting to join back as a staff member. We setup a call to discuss. This first call was just between kvids, didgo and me, and was a basic conversation where we asked what value he could bring to the team and what he wanted to do for the server. After the call I felt quite positive about him, however kvids felt like he was asking for a role which was not in line with what we were looking for. I reasoned with this and said it is best for them to decide considering they are more experienced. Zack wanted to setup a second call because he could not attend originally, so him and kvids spoke together with didgo again and came to the conclusion that it wouldn't be in our best interest to hire him. I followed their advice (see here).

17/09/2021 Kvids/Zack requesting file access
Kvids and Zack asked for permission to the server files. I told them that this is not something which I can decide, and that they should message Skeppy/Neon about it. They raised it in a group chat where the decision was made that access cannot be given (proof - blurred neon's personal details). A day later, we sat in a meeting and we looked at the specific reasons why they needed permission to the physical machines. This mainly came down to 1) being able to test things that they are developing, and 2) being able to copy over schematics from one server to another. I offered to setup a development server for them which they could have full access to, and an automated system which copies over all the schematics between the servers. I tried to help them the best way I could. Unfortunately, today I still don't have access to the machines they requested even myself so I have not been able to arrange this.

20/09/2021 Network recoding suggestions
Since our devs are currently working on the recode, Zack and kvids forwarded a document to me with some of their suggestions. One of my key tasks whilst being here is being 1-on-1 with the developers, so they asked if I could pass this feedback along. One of the suggestions that they added that day was a patch to a running and eating bug. I passed this on to the developer who fixed the problem in our recoded Spigot. (proof1, proof2)

24/09/2021 Update planning
I took a break for a few days because of a personal problem (relationship breakup) and had to take my mind off of things. I got back on the 24th and joined a call with zack/kvids where they got me back up to speed. We discussed updates which we wanted to do on the server in the coming weeks, mainly the KitPvP update. This was completely done in conjunction with them, in fact they pretty much directed the entire update. Zack and kvids brought up to me that Mega was working on KitPvP changes which were never pushed and that these were ready to publish on the server. This covered the knockback and duels update (I didn't even know this existed). They were also working on new maps that would be ready for the weekend, and suggested to create a new monthly crate as this wasn't updated for a while. We agreed that they would decide the contents of the crate and that I would configure it once ready. I never received the contents of the crate so it could not be finished - something which they also lied about to staff and players (Document discussing the update, me asking for crate/build progress on day of release).

Regarding the actual decision of doing an update vs. reset - we had a discussion about this on Sep 17 during one of our meetings. Zack and kvids explained that it was long overdue for a reset, however I explained that Skeppy didn't want to do any resets to the server until the recode was finished. I also argued that I thought it wasn't in the player's interests to do a reset on Oct 1st, and then again a month later on Nov 1st. This was the date which we were working towards getting the recode finished. They agreed that if development was on schedule, having a month in between resets wouldn't be a good idea. And so the decision was made to do an update.

24/09/2021 Staff Applications & New era post
Besides the update, we talked about staff applications. Kvids and Zack informed me that they should be opened right away. I agreed and gave them full control over this. They mentioned that they were working on a new requirements post which they wanted me to see and approve. The next day they posted a draft of the announcement post, and a draft of the new requirements. I gave my feedback (as you do in a team) and they posted it (proof). The staff applications were completely handed off to them.

We also intended for a while to post an announcement to the players about the management changes ("new era" post). A week after joining seemed good as that allowed me to get a grip of things. In a global staff call on September 19th I told our staff that it would be posted within a few hours after the call. This is when I became unavailable due to dealing with the issue above, which caused it to be delayed. When I got back on the 25th, it was brought up in our meeting and I drafted a post right away. I asked the other managers for approval and they gave the ok to post. (see here - note it was posted in our drafts forum first, which is private to staff).

25/09/2021 Forum Maintenance
When staff applications were posted, I noticed some small quirks on the forums - like the application form going through a link thread instead of a button. I told the other managers that I was going to go through the admin panel that day to make some changes to things that were messy. I communicated with them about this and they gave feedback on things that they wanted changed - which I did or wrote down without any objections. I know that to staff (and players?) they have been saying that they asked for access to this panel and it was rejected, however they never asked and I would have given it to them. Some screenshots on them asking for forum changes: resetting users, discussing appeal limit before it was removed, more feedback from them, all agreed to, changelog, forum addon.

28/09/2021 KitPvP Update
On Sep 28 we had a meeting to check status on the KitPvP update. We concluded that everything was tested and that we would announce the update on Thursday. On Thursday, I was not available to write the post and it was further pushed to Sunday. This wasn't planned, however since no date was known to players yet we had a little bit of wiggle room for everything. I explained the situation and apologized for needing to push it. Once the announcement was ready, I sent it for review. Kvids recommended some changes to the post which were made (proof). From this moment on I pretty much received no further communication from them at all, even up until moments before the KitPvP update which needed to be checked (see here).

28/09/2021 Media Requirements
Also on the 28th, Zack and kvids asked if I was available for a quick call to discuss changes they wanted to make to the media requirements. In the call, they explained that the requirements needed to be adjusted, and that we should have a Media and Famous rank. I agreed but thought that "Famous" sounds a bit arrogant for the YouTubers who had this. They agreed and we decided on using "Partner" instead. They then made the changes they wanted to make. They didn't send the new requirements to be reviewed (I always send them all of my public posts for review), and made an announcement without communicating this. I don't care because they were given freedom to do so, but it's ironic considering they say they aren't given any power whilst I wasn't even involved in any of this.

So to conclude I think they had plenty of say in everything that was going on and it's really unfortunate to see them go out of their way to lie and manipulate to basically everyone about not having an influence in what was happening.



As you can see in my reply above, actually I didn't even know the knockback changes existed - it was suggested by the previous managers. Once we found out that players didn't like the change, we reverted it right away.



The way it is coded in our forums software doesn't allow for an approval/denial feature. As for actually adding it, me and Zack were a fan of it. kvids didn't like it (proof). Ended up remaining enabled to see what would happen and now that we figured they are in fact pretty difficult to moderate we removed them.



I think I've made it pretty clear that that wasn't the case



I am not going to reply to documents that were uploaded 5-6 years ago. I was 16 at the time and these have all been extensively covered already with the communities affected. 2 of the 3 documents which you provided originate from PrimeMC in 2015. We cleared our issues and I managed the server again from 2018-2019. After that, the server was consolidated with software from The Archon. If it interests you, the owner of PrimeMC is the person who referred me to Skeppy for this position.


Your "truth" comes from people who don't provide any evidence of anything whatsoever. The situation is really unfortunate, however I cannot account for two managers - who I worked with closely - to be upset about the fact they weren't solely considered for the management position and therefore retaliated against the staff team behind my back without discussing their issues with me at any point whatsoever.

InvadedLands has to move on. I'm sorry that this happened, and some of the concerns are valid (there are for example points I could have communicated better on within the team) - but this lying and manipulating needs to be put to rest. We have a giant recode happening and content in the works which needs to be pushed to the server. This is the reason why I immediately appointed new people in the team, so we could move forward.

If anybody has any further questions that have not been addressed yet by this post, me or the other managers will address them.

Wow I completely trusted kvids and Zackyyy. Sorry for not trusting you Mr. @affixes . Nobody can deny evidence and you have plenty of it. This just goes to show that you need to look at both sides no matter who it is. I sincerely apologize for anything I have said.

 

[playboi_embox]

That's not on invaded cord? I don't see your point

you still act like this though and make comments like this on different cord's (comments from invaded cord)

 

[Elementalish]

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you still act like this though and make comments like this on different cord's (comments from invaded cord)

Whether or not on the invaded cord, they look at your behavior and maturity as a whole. On top of that, if you're going to act that way outside the cord who's to say you won't behave the same way on the invaded platform?

 

[neverunit]

Whether or not on the invaded cord, they look at your behavior and maturity as a whole. On top of that, if you're going to act that way outside the cord who's to say you won't behave the same way on the invaded platform?

It shows that you’d only act like that on servers where you don’t want a position of power/won’t get punished for doing it while keeping a power position

 

[MrChickenBall]

If anybody has any further questions that have not been addressed yet by this post, me or the other managers will address them.

I do, why does my head hurt?

 

[MrChickenBall]

I do have some more questions, we need to have more communication from Skeppy and Zelkam. If they are the people that decided to hire you, then why do they not say anything anymore, skeppy has only said anything twice, and Zelkam hasn't messaged anyone in the past month. They also don't do anything on invadedlands anymore. My questions are what do Skeppy and Zelkam do, and can they come back to invadedlands and start making videos again to boost the player count.

I also didn't realise that you were right affixes. The final question, is that why did you think that delaying a reset to November 1st would be a good idea. You also didn't even think to tell us when the reset might be. Could we please try to have more communication untill we get past the times we are in right now?

 

[Yuki]

I do have some more questions, we need to have more communication from Skeppy and Zelkam. If they are the people that decided to hire you, then why do they not say anything anymore, skeppy has only said anything twice, and Zelkam hasn't messaged anyone in the past month. They also don't do anything on invadedlands anymore. My questions are what do Skeppy and Zelkam do, and can they come back to invadedlands and start making videos again to boost the player count.

I also didn't realise that you were right affixes. The final question, is that why did you think that delaying a reset to November 1st would be a good idea. You also didn't even think to tell us when the reset might be. Could we please try to have more communication untill we get past the times we are in right now?

We should give the man a break after taking time of his day to make such a reply to this thread, he's definitely got good intentions for us

 

[MrChickenBall]

We should give the man a break after taking time of his day to make such a reply to this thread, he's definitely got good intentions for us

He said fill free to ask any more questions, so I am asking...

 

[Yuki]

He said fill free to ask any more questions, so I am asking...

Right

 

[Valat]

The final question, is that why did you think that delaying a reset to November 1st would be a good idea.

Just to clear this up, affixes claimed it was Skeppy's personal decision to delay the reset

Regarding the actual decision of doing an update vs. reset - we had a discussion about this on Sep 17 during one of our meetings. Zack and kvids explained that it was long overdue for a reset, however I explained that Skeppy didn't want to do any resets to the server until the recode was finished.

 

[MrChickenBall]

Just to clear this up, affixes mentioned it was Skeppy's personal decision to delay the reset

ah ok thanks

 

[AB987]

HE WAS DEMOTED GG EZ

 

[Mihaitai]

It's honestly very impressive to see how you managed to manipulate everyone and get them on your side by only showing people text messages. I love how they think stuff is communicated between management only via text messages and not voice chats/meetings that had much more information related to this subject.
Just a note that the whole point of this message is to show how easy you can be fooled by someone and not for me to accomplish anything as I'm not interested anymore.

I know that to staff (and players?) they have been saying that they asked for access to this panel and it was rejected, however they never asked and I would have given it to them

It's funny to see how you're bringing this up just because you think we cannot defend ourselves from stuff that happened in vcs, however, I have managed to find this:

https://imgur.com/a/O46scYx

Context refers to them asking to change the Rules page and add it to the navigation bar via the AdminCP, which shows you are more than aware that they wanted AdminCP only from this text message.

11/09/2021 Discord Prune Incident
One of the first things that happened immediately after I joined, was an accident where members of our Discord were being pruned. Zack notified me about this issue and he made the necessary changes in collaboration with Neon to make sure this wouldn't happened again. He made sure that the permissions were taken away from Discord staff to do this.

I don't see what's your point in bringing this up when Zack during that time was already a Discord Staff Manager and had access to pretty much everything on the discord server before. All you are saying is he only removed 1 permission from Discord Staff member WITH Neon which supposedly means by what you're saying is he has the ability to make a decision by himself, which is not true as this was done with Neon's confirmation.

20/09/2021 Network recoding suggestions
Since our devs are currently working on the recode, Zack and kvids forwarded a document to me with some of their suggestions. One of my key tasks whilst being here is being 1-on-1 with the developers, so they asked if I could pass this feedback along. One of the suggestions that they added that day was a patch to a running and eating bug. I passed this on to the developer who fixed the problem in our recoded Spigot. (proof1, proof2)

To quote from the beginning of your post:
"The picture that is being drawn is that Zack and kvids had no say whatsoever in any of the decision making"

I don't see what's also the point with bringing this up when you even said it is a "suggestion". I think it's a normal thing to do as a Staff member and suggesting could even be done by a moderator. It wasn't even them who sent the message to the Developer, it was you actually so that means you must've had the final decision to bring it up and no way for them to change it/directly contact for it to be changed.

To prove you wrong, I will provide Zack ASKING for a change on the forums, not SUGGESTING - which are two key different words in a situation like this. You have said "sure" and still never did that even if you said you were going through your "forums maintenance".

https://imgur.com/a/ssc8WBP

Regarding the actual decision of doing an update vs. reset - we had a discussion about this on Sep 17 during one of our meetings. Zack and kvids explained that it was long overdue for a reset, however I explained that Skeppy didn't want to do any resets to the server until the recode was finished. I also argued that I thought it wasn't in the player's interests to do a reset on Oct 1st, and then again a month later on Nov 1st. This was the date which we were working towards getting the recode finished. They agreed that if development was on schedule, having a month in between resets wouldn't be a good idea. And so the decision was made to do an update.

Zack and Kvids really wanted to get the KitPVP reset done faster, however, it was totally YOUR decision to delay it. During our last staff meeting, you have informed us that it was YOUR final decision to delay the reset as you thought it would be better and even argued with us after we gave our feedback that it's needed for the reset to be done faster. You never brought up "Skeppy" into this discussion with your staff members and said it was your decision and we cannot change it, which proves that Zack and Kvids do not have a chance to make decisions nor to at least change yours.

Also on the 28th, Zack and kvids asked if I was available for a quick call to discuss changes they wanted to make to the media requirements. In the call, they explained that the requirements needed to be adjusted, and that we should have a Media and Famous rank. I agreed but thought that "Famous" sounds a bit arrogant for the YouTubers who had this. They agreed and we decided on using "Partner" instead. They then made the changes they wanted to make. They didn't send the new requirements to be reviewed (I always send them all of my public posts for review), and made an announcement without communicating this. I don't care because they were given freedom to do so, but it's ironic considering they say they aren't given any power whilst I wasn't even involved in any of this.

About the last part, it's a complete lie. We've been given access to a private Admin forums category (which we weren't supposed to be able to see but we had access after you messed up perms on the forums) where it included a private thread with the new media requirements and guidelines, which means it was a posted to get reviewed, feedback (by Kvids). You also had a final say in this decision as you were the one that allowed them to change the system.
To the giving unintentional access to the admin+ forums category, you were informed either by the management or by us in the #bugs channel and still didn't change it and ignored us.

The way it is coded in our forums software doesn't allow for an approval/denial feature. As for actually adding it, me and Zack were a fan of it. kvids didn't like it (proof). Ended up remaining enabled to see what would happen and now that we figured they are in fact pretty difficult to moderate we removed them.

You didn't remove it because kvids was against it. Your initial plan by the way you are saying it was to keep banners and make them a normal update until we (the entire staff team) told you that this is not a reasonable change and you looked over that again a few days later.


Another thing is a message I have sent in senior-mods chat, basically saying how we were all getting blamed by the community for no reason when we only had good intentions as there weren't any significant updates and that YOUR decision of allowing only Managers+ to deny apps (that met the requirements) was only put to have a backup plan to replace us because we were all sharing our criticism to you, which would make it easier for you to ignore the feedback and move on.

https://imgur.com/a/MDWP7l8

 

[Elementalish]

this aged well