Problem with making eating while running unbannable

[FestiveTashi]

yeah it does actually LOL try doing it with 250 buddy

bet, you underestimate us 200+ms guys too much

 

[squirtmaster]

bet, you underestimate us 200+ms guys too much

aight bro if u can do it I’ll be on later lets see it

 

[Listere]

Yes I agree, Lunar is ew too I'd never use it.

uhh lunar is so much better than badlion lol

 

[Listere]

yeah it does actually LOL try doing it with 250 buddy I wonder if bow boosting with 30ms difference and other things would matter yeah no shit it does LOL

i have never felt sub 300ms bow boost ??

 

[System64]

uhh lunar is so much better than badlion lol

I only talked about Lunar, never said anything about Badlion. Lunar is ew, I however do not know if Badlion is better or worse, I just know they're both bad

 

[WumBacca]

Problem with making eating while running unbannable. I know It is a glitch that invadedlands can not fix them self because it is a "vanilla" minecraft bug, but it wasn't as chaotic as it was now since it is no longer bannable. Here is some reasons and problems with that.

1. Hacks or Glitch?
I know you don't see it often, but it is still possible. If a player is using a hack client that allows them to eat while running, how do you determine if the player is hacking or not, or are you just going to leave them unbanned because it is a glitch that allows other players to use it, since it really isn't as unfair as it should be?

2. Vanilla Glitch?
So I have been told that this glitch was from vanilla minecraft themselves, but how come it only teaches you to do it on Lunar Client? I have tried it on BLC and it never worked and I don't think it would be right that a client could make such thing a glitch.

3. Unfair
You can clearly see that this server is buggy enough at the moment. There have been glitches everywhere. This one glitch is not only unfair and ruining players experience. You can see that in chats there are people complaining about this glitch and how it should be bannable. These glitches have been saving people from dying and you don't know how this glitch and making this not bannable really effects the server, maybe other players do not mind it because they know the glitch themselves and like using it because it gives the player an advantage while fighting.

4. Is it really an excuse?
Is saying "oh wow, but that's a vanilla minecraft glitch so we can't do anything about it" the reason why this was made no longer bannable? AND THE ANSWER I WANT TO KNOW IS THAT WHY WAS THIS MADE UNBANNABLE? It literally makes no sense because IT IS an unfair advantage and NOT all players can do it.

5. Not all players can do it.
Not all players can do the glitch. Not all players knows how to do this glitch. Not all players have Lunar Client to do this glitch. It is NOT something that was made so every player can do and that is why it is unfair for players. If not everyone can do it, it should be bannable. (there is things wrong about that sentence but u know what i mean) In addition, I know that BLC needs less frame to drive Lunar. When I was using my old PC I could drive BLC, but wasn't quite good enough to drive Lunar.

6. If everyone knew how to do it.
Right now staff does not see this not that big of a problem is because there isn't that much player using it or they haven't been fighting a lot. If in the future more players uses the glitch and more people learns how to use this glitch, won't you think this glitch would be insanely chaotic? and at that time you have no choice but to keep this thing going on, because you either have to ban the whole server or you keep going. I really want this thing to be fixed and taken seriously, because I HATE IT TO MY FRICKING CORE and so does the other players. and if u dont then welp oof.

Hi gimme ur disc

 

[Czechoslovakism]

Problem with making eating while running unbannable. I know It is a glitch that invadedlands can not fix them self because it is a "vanilla" minecraft bug, but it wasn't as chaotic as it was now since it is no longer bannable. Here is some reasons and problems with that.

1. Hacks or Glitch?
I know you don't see it often, but it is still possible. If a player is using a hack client that allows them to eat while running, how do you determine if the player is hacking or not, or are you just going to leave them unbanned because it is a glitch that allows other players to use it, since it really isn't as unfair as it should be?

2. Vanilla Glitch?
So I have been told that this glitch was from vanilla minecraft themselves, but how come it only teaches you to do it on Lunar Client? I have tried it on BLC and it never worked and I don't think it would be right that a client could make such thing a glitch.

3. Unfair
You can clearly see that this server is buggy enough at the moment. There have been glitches everywhere. This one glitch is not only unfair and ruining players experience. You can see that in chats there are people complaining about this glitch and how it should be bannable. These glitches have been saving people from dying and you don't know how this glitch and making this not bannable really effects the server, maybe other players do not mind it because they know the glitch themselves and like using it because it gives the player an advantage while fighting.

4. Is it really an excuse?
Is saying "oh wow, but that's a vanilla minecraft glitch so we can't do anything about it" the reason why this was made no longer bannable? AND THE ANSWER I WANT TO KNOW IS THAT WHY WAS THIS MADE UNBANNABLE? It literally makes no sense because IT IS an unfair advantage and NOT all players can do it.

5. Not all players can do it.
Not all players can do the glitch. Not all players knows how to do this glitch. Not all players have Lunar Client to do this glitch. It is NOT something that was made so every player can do and that is why it is unfair for players. If not everyone can do it, it should be bannable. (there is things wrong about that sentence but u know what i mean) In addition, I know that BLC needs less frame to drive Lunar. When I was using my old PC I could drive BLC, but wasn't quite good enough to drive Lunar.

6. If everyone knew how to do it.
Right now staff does not see this not that big of a problem is because there isn't that much player using it or they haven't been fighting a lot. If in the future more players uses the glitch and more people learns how to use this glitch, won't you think this glitch would be insanely chaotic? and at that time you have no choice but to keep this thing going on, because you either have to ban the whole server or you keep going. I really want this thing to be fixed and taken seriously, because I HATE IT TO MY FRICKING CORE and so does the other players. and if u dont then welp oof.

bug abuse. you never where supposed to do it. why should you now? duping is a bug, shouldn’t it be allowed?

 

[12st]

Hi gimme ur disc

12st#2482

 

[Togglings]

100% agree, eating and running unfair, especially because it's something not all players can use, although it's vanilla, eating and running is 100% ping dependant. Also someone tried making a point that bow boosting is also ping dependant, while that is true, it isn't the same. Bow boosting is all timing whether or not you have 10 ms - 250 ms. Now, I haven't seen Anybody being able to eat run twice in a row with 150ms+. Idk either they suck, or if not it's just as people say "impossible" to learn the timing. Again, I don't see it as extremely fame breaking, however, I do think it is unfair for players with just a little higher ping. I also don't know why it was a problem before tbh, I barely saw anybody doing it, and now everyone knows

 

[Sky]

Problem with making eating while running unbannable. I know It is a glitch that invadedlands can not fix them self because it is a "vanilla" minecraft bug, but it wasn't as chaotic as it was now since it is no longer bannable. Here is some reasons and problems with that.

1. Hacks or Glitch?
I know you don't see it often, but it is still possible. If a player is using a hack client that allows them to eat while running, how do you determine if the player is hacking or not, or are you just going to leave them unbanned because it is a glitch that allows other players to use it, since it really isn't as unfair as it should be?

2. Vanilla Glitch?
So I have been told that this glitch was from vanilla minecraft themselves, but how come it only teaches you to do it on Lunar Client? I have tried it on BLC and it never worked and I don't think it would be right that a client could make such thing a glitch.

3. Unfair
You can clearly see that this server is buggy enough at the moment. There have been glitches everywhere. This one glitch is not only unfair and ruining players experience. You can see that in chats there are people complaining about this glitch and how it should be bannable. These glitches have been saving people from dying and you don't know how this glitch and making this not bannable really effects the server, maybe other players do not mind it because they know the glitch themselves and like using it because it gives the player an advantage while fighting.

4. Is it really an excuse?
Is saying "oh wow, but that's a vanilla minecraft glitch so we can't do anything about it" the reason why this was made no longer bannable? AND THE ANSWER I WANT TO KNOW IS THAT WHY WAS THIS MADE UNBANNABLE? It literally makes no sense because IT IS an unfair advantage and NOT all players can do it.

5. Not all players can do it.
Not all players can do the glitch. Not all players knows how to do this glitch. Not all players have Lunar Client to do this glitch. It is NOT something that was made so every player can do and that is why it is unfair for players. If not everyone can do it, it should be bannable. (there is things wrong about that sentence but u know what i mean) In addition, I know that BLC needs less frame to drive Lunar. When I was using my old PC I could drive BLC, but wasn't quite good enough to drive Lunar.

6. If everyone knew how to do it.
Right now staff does not see this not that big of a problem is because there isn't that much player using it or they haven't been fighting a lot. If in the future more players uses the glitch and more people learns how to use this glitch, won't you think this glitch would be insanely chaotic? and at that time you have no choice but to keep this thing going on, because you either have to ban the whole server or you keep going. I really want this thing to be fixed and taken seriously, because I HATE IT TO MY FRICKING CORE and so does the other players. and if u dont then welp oof.

This man wrote a whole dam bibble time to start reading the time I'm done with this I'm gonna be 32

 

[krovic]

1. Hacks or Glitch?
I know you don't see it often, but it is still possible. If a player is using a hack client that allows them to eat while running, how do you determine if the player is hacking or not, or are you just going to leave them unbanned because it is a glitch that allows other players to use it, since it really isn't as unfair as it should be?

its easy to tell if they are cheating or not you just have to have a brain

2. Vanilla Glitch?
So I have been told that this glitch was from vanilla minecraft themselves, but how come it only teaches you to do it on Lunar Client? I have tried it on BLC and it never worked and I don't think it would be right that a client could make such thing a glitch.

i can do it on any client even vanilla and blc

. Unfair
You can clearly see that this server is buggy enough at the moment. There have been glitches everywhere. This one glitch is not only unfair and ruining players experience. You can see that in chats there are people complaining about this glitch and how it should be bannable. These glitches have been saving people from dying and you don't know how this glitch and making this not bannable really effects the server, maybe other players do not mind it because they know the glitch themselves and like using it because it gives the player an advantage while fighting.

its not unfair if other people can do it

4. Is it really an excuse?
Is saying "oh wow, but that's a vanilla minecraft glitch so we can't do anything about it" the reason why this was made no longer bannable? AND THE ANSWER I WANT TO KNOW IS THAT WHY WAS THIS MADE UNBANNABLE? It literally makes no sense because IT IS an unfair advantage and NOT all players can do it.

it is a vanilla glitch....

5. Not all players can do it.
Not all players can do the glitch. Not all players knows how to do this glitch. Not all players have Lunar Client to do this glitch. It is NOT something that was made so every player can do and that is why it is unfair for players. If not everyone can do it, it should be bannable. (there is things wrong about that sentence but u know what i mean) In addition, I know that BLC needs less frame to drive Lunar. When I was using my old PC I could drive BLC, but wasn't quite good enough to drive Lunar.

yeah because people are stupid and not good at the game

6. If everyone knew how to do it.
Right now staff does not see this not that big of a problem is because there isn't that much player using it or they haven't been fighting a lot. If in the future more players uses the glitch and more people learns how to use this glitch, won't you think this glitch would be insanely chaotic? and at that time you have no choice but to keep this thing going on, because you either have to ban the whole server or you keep going. I really want this thing to be fixed and taken seriously, because I HATE IT TO MY FRICKING CORE and so does the other players. and if u dont then welp oof.

its a skill like bow boosting not everyone knows how to do it but they can learn

 

[Vensie]

My opinion should be banable, such a big advantage for players who don’t know how to do it, and or have higher ping. I can do it 24/7 when I’m on my usual 30ping on an eu server and can still do it abit on high ping but it is a massive advantage, it needs to be banable

 

[12st]

its easy to tell if they are cheating or not you just have to have a brain

i can do it on any client even vanilla and blc

its not unfair if other people can do it

it is a vanilla glitch....

yeah because people are stupid and not good at the game

its a skill like bow boosting not everyone knows how to do it but they can learn

Ur response is literally terrible no offensive and I won’t go over it one by one but go read what i said back to ebanana and realize the fact that I’m saying this for the players that thinks this is an unfair advantage and do not know how to do it.

 

[Hey eronlee!]

The way you usually quantify the seriousness of a game advantage like a glitch is by the following factors,
- Can only be done with game modifications
- Unfair (Physically only some people can do it)
- Ruins the game (A large negative impact on how the game is played)

So let's think for a moment.

"Can only be done with game modifications".
It can be done on vanilla Minecraft. I don't know where you got your "It can only be done on lunar" rhetoric from but you're just wrong lol.

"Unfair".
You can learn how to do it, no matter what your ping is it is possible. I did it while flying on an airplane with 600ms (yes, I was in first class). What do you want staff to do next? Hold your hand while you learn how to triple bow boost?

"Ruins the game".
How does this ruin the game? Because it's "chaotic"? The current meta is to splash insta 2s inside of someone to drop them. I fail to see how being able to eat while being chased by a whole clan flying at you at mach 10 (or mach 2 if its akatsuki) is any more "chaotic". By your same logic, you should only be able to bow boost once, can't have it be upwards and can't use a rod to stop fall damage. Lets also stop events, those have too many people and remove dropping down! Only 1v1s from now on. What do we have then? Gapple ladder with shitty kb?

The whole point of any gamemode is for innovation to prosper overtime, I fail to see how removing probably one of the first cool things in invaded for a long time actually helps the server. I genuinely cannot believe the amount of monkey shit that must have been flowing from the tips of your fingers when you were writing this. If you can't do it then learn how to do it. I guess that must be hard for you when you spend all day clicking the respawn button though. Anyways, yadda yadda yadda you're retarded, quit the game, uninstall and FREE DECIPLE!

 

[Yairdy]

Problem with making eating while running unbannable. I know It is a glitch that invadedlands can not fix them self because it is a "vanilla" minecraft bug, but it wasn't as chaotic as it was now since it is no longer bannable. Here is some reasons and problems with that.

1. Hacks or Glitch?
I know you don't see it often, but it is still possible. If a player is using a hack client that allows them to eat while running, how do you determine if the player is hacking or not, or are you just going to leave them unbanned because it is a glitch that allows other players to use it, since it really isn't as unfair as it should be?

2. Vanilla Glitch?
So I have been told that this glitch was from vanilla minecraft themselves, but how come it only teaches you to do it on Lunar Client? I have tried it on BLC and it never worked and I don't think it would be right that a client could make such thing a glitch.

3. Unfair
You can clearly see that this server is buggy enough at the moment. There have been glitches everywhere. This one glitch is not only unfair and ruining players experience. You can see that in chats there are people complaining about this glitch and how it should be bannable. These glitches have been saving people from dying and you don't know how this glitch and making this not bannable really effects the server, maybe other players do not mind it because they know the glitch themselves and like using it because it gives the player an advantage while fighting.

4. Is it really an excuse?
Is saying "oh wow, but that's a vanilla minecraft glitch so we can't do anything about it" the reason why this was made no longer bannable? AND THE ANSWER I WANT TO KNOW IS THAT WHY WAS THIS MADE UNBANNABLE? It literally makes no sense because IT IS an unfair advantage and NOT all players can do it.

5. Not all players can do it.
Not all players can do the glitch. Not all players knows how to do this glitch. Not all players have Lunar Client to do this glitch. It is NOT something that was made so every player can do and that is why it is unfair for players. If not everyone can do it, it should be bannable. (there is things wrong about that sentence but u know what i mean) In addition, I know that BLC needs less frame to drive Lunar. When I was using my old PC I could drive BLC, but wasn't quite good enough to drive Lunar.

6. If everyone knew how to do it.
Right now staff does not see this not that big of a problem is because there isn't that much player using it or they haven't been fighting a lot. If in the future more players uses the glitch and more people learns how to use this glitch, won't you think this glitch would be insanely chaotic? and at that time you have no choice but to keep this thing going on, because you either have to ban the whole server or you keep going. I really want this thing to be fixed and taken seriously, because I HATE IT TO MY FRICKING CORE and so does the other players. and if u dont then welp oof.

So lets do this.

Hi my name's Yairdy and first of, its vanilla, and its not client based, if you cant do it on BLC ur just bad xF

Second of, ping isn't necessarily the only factor involved, people with 250ms+ can do it, myro and myself can both do it with ease (he gets 250-270ms and i get 290) so its not like its only restricted to those who have two digit ping.

Thirdly, its not cheating, its like saying bhopping in csgo is cheating, its not, its just something better players do. It creates a skill gap between good and bad players.

 

[12st]

So lets do this.

Hi my name's Yairdy and first of, its vanilla, and its not client based, if you cant do it on BLC ur just bad xF

Second of, ping isn't necessarily the only factor involved, people with 250ms+ can do it, myro and myself can both do it with ease (he gets 250-270ms and i get 290) so its not like its only restricted to those who have two digit ping.

Thirdly, its not cheating, its like saying bhopping in csgo is cheating, its not, its just something better players do. It creates a skill gap between good and bad players.

I want to die because of how stupid u r

 

[12st]

The way you usually quantify the seriousness of a game advantage like a glitch is by the following factors,
- Can only be done with game modifications
- Unfair (Physically only some people can do it)
- Ruins the game (A large negative impact on how the game is played)

So let's think for a moment.

"Can only be done with game modifications".
It can be done on vanilla Minecraft. I don't know where you got your "It can only be done on lunar" rhetoric from but you're just wrong lol.

"Unfair".
You can learn how to do it, no matter what your ping is it is possible. I did it while flying on an airplane with 600ms (yes, I was in first class). What do you want staff to do next? Hold your hand while you learn how to triple bow boost?

"Ruins the game".
How does this ruin the game? Because it's "chaotic"? The current meta is to splash insta 2s inside of someone to drop them. I fail to see how being able to eat while being chased by a whole clan flying at you at mach 10 (or mach 2 if its akatsuki) is any more "chaotic". By your same logic, you should only be able to bow boost once, can't have it be upwards and can't use a rod to stop fall damage. Lets also stop events, those have too many people and remove dropping down! Only 1v1s from now on. What do we have then? Gapple ladder with shitty kb?

The whole point of any gamemode is for innovation to prosper overtime, I fail to see how removing probably one of the first cool things in invaded for a long time actually helps the server. I genuinely cannot believe the amount of monkey shit that must have been flowing from the tips of your fingers when you were writing this. If you can't do it then learn how to do it. I guess that must be hard for you when you spend all day clicking the respawn button though. Anyways, yadda yadda yadda you're retarded, quit the game, uninstall and FREE DECIPLE!

1st I admit that it is wrong that I said it could only be done on lunar because it on the tutorial it said that it was on lunar client.

2nd Yes it is chaotic. Clans and instas are a completely different thing than this. Yes both of them are annoying and chaotic but its not bannable. It’s a normal thing that you see on the server. The gapple glitch isn’t. It was later fixed by minecraft in 1.14.3. I don’t understand why you’re comparing the server with a glitch. I have no idea what you’re on about with the stopping events and can only bow boosting once. That is something that can not be stopped and could be done by players. We might as well ban players for clicking higher cps than normal players huh?

3rd Yes yes yes. You can learn how to do it. And I have no problem with removing triple bow boosting, but the gapple glitch is way annoying. And is an unfair advantage if the players can’t do it. oh yeah they can learn it right? What if they don’t want to because they prefer playing like this and not changing an aspect of the game? You think it’s cool? Well guess what? It’s because it fucking helps you and gives players an unfair advantage when you know how to do it and they don’t.

4th Do realize that these aren’t only the points that are mentioned there is a lot more that might not be me but other players.

yep and another ****** tryna act cool. Again do know that I’m saying this for the people that wants this fixed and thinks this is unfair and annoying. next time before calling me retarded actually read my forum post dumbass.
Last and before making your forum post about how this is wrong read some another cuz ur points has literally been pointed out dumb ****.

 

[Hey eronlee!]

1st I admit that it is wrong that I said it could only be done on lunar because it on the tutorial it said that it was on lunar client.

2nd Yes it is chaotic. Clans and instas are a completely different thing than this. Yes both of them are annoying and chaotic but its not bannable. It’s a normal thing that you see on the server. The gapple glitch isn’t. It was later fixed by minecraft in 1.14.3. I don’t understand why you’re comparing the server with a glitch. I have no idea what you’re on about with the stopping events and can only bow boosting once. That is something that can not be stopped and could be done by players. We might as well ban players for clicking higher cps than normal players huh?

3rd Yes yes yes. You can learn how to do it. And I have no problem with removing triple bow boosting, but the gapple glitch is way annoying. And is an unfair advantage if the players can’t do it. oh yeah they can learn it right? What if they don’t want to because they prefer playing like this and not changing an aspect of the game? You think it’s cool? Well guess what? It’s because it fucking helps you and gives players an unfair advantage when you know how to do it and they don’t.

4th Do realize that these aren’t only the points that are mentioned there is a lot more that might not be me but other players.

yep and another ****** tryna act cool. Again do know that I’m saying this for the people that wants this fixed and thinks this is unfair and annoying. next time before calling me retarded actually read my forum post dumbass.
Last and before making your forum post about how this is wrong read some another cuz ur points has literally been pointed out dumb ****.

FIRST: DONT BACK DOWN!!!

SECOND:I see the golden apple glitch on the server.....the server is in 1.7 why are you speak about 1.14??? "We might as well ban players for clicking higher cps than normal players huh?" GOOD SUGGESTION MAN. I AGREEEEEEE

THiRD: yes yes YES! I can learn how to do it? :O WHY NOT REMOVE BOWBOOSTING. problem with making bowboosting while running unbannable.... I THINK ITS COOLLLL(NOT ME))))). I think that unfair advantage are bad.... aint NOBODY GOT TIME!

FOUR: i realise.

LAST: yes yes YESSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!

what do i read??? you dont say what to read .... UNFAIR AND ANNOYING!!!!!!! WHATTTTTT???????? YOU TELL THEM!!!!


me still using the glitch after this post yes yes YESSS??????????????

 

[12st]

FIRST: DONT BACK DOWN!!!

SECOND:I see the golden apple glitch on the server.....the server is in 1.7 why are you speak about 1.14??? "We might as well ban players for clicking higher cps than normal players huh?" GOOD SUGGESTION MAN. I AGREEEEEEE

THiRD: yes yes YES! I can learn how to do it? :O WHY NOT REMOVE BOWBOOSTING. problem with making bowboosting while running unbannable.... I THINK ITS COOLLLL(NOT ME))))). I think that unfair advantage are bad.... aint NOBODY GOT TIME!

FOUR: i realise.

LAST: yes yes YESSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!

what do i read??? you dont say what to read .... UNFAIR AND ANNOYING!!!!!!! WHATTTTTT???????? YOU TELL THEM!!!!


me still using the glitch after this post yes yes YESSS??????????????

i caught aids reading that

 

[sehoon0501]

Problem with making eating while running unbannable. I know It is a glitch that invadedlands can not fix them self because it is a "vanilla" minecraft bug, but it wasn't as chaotic as it was now since it is no longer bannable. Here is some reasons and problems with that.

1. Hacks or Glitch?
I know you don't see it often, but it is still possible. If a player is using a hack client that allows them to eat while running, how do you determine if the player is hacking or not, or are you just going to leave them unbanned because it is a glitch that allows other players to use it, since it really isn't as unfair as it should be?

2. Vanilla Glitch?
So I have been told that this glitch was from vanilla minecraft themselves, but how come it only teaches you to do it on Lunar Client? I have tried it on BLC and it never worked and I don't think it would be right that a client could make such thing a glitch.

3. Unfair
You can clearly see that this server is buggy enough at the moment. There have been glitches everywhere. This one glitch is not only unfair and ruining players experience. You can see that in chats there are people complaining about this glitch and how it should be bannable. These glitches have been saving people from dying and you don't know how this glitch and making this not bannable really effects the server, maybe other players do not mind it because they know the glitch themselves and like using it because it gives the player an advantage while fighting.

4. Is it really an excuse?
Is saying "oh wow, but that's a vanilla minecraft glitch so we can't do anything about it" the reason why this was made no longer bannable? AND THE ANSWER I WANT TO KNOW IS THAT WHY WAS THIS MADE UNBANNABLE? It literally makes no sense because IT IS an unfair advantage and NOT all players can do it.

5. Not all players can do it.
Not all players can do the glitch. Not all players knows how to do this glitch. Not all players have Lunar Client to do this glitch. It is NOT something that was made so every player can do and that is why it is unfair for players. If not everyone can do it, it should be bannable. (there is things wrong about that sentence but u know what i mean) In addition, I know that BLC needs less frame to drive Lunar. When I was using my old PC I could drive BLC, but wasn't quite good enough to drive Lunar.

6. If everyone knew how to do it.
Right now staff does not see this not that big of a problem is because there isn't that much player using it or they haven't been fighting a lot. If in the future more players uses the glitch and more people learns how to use this glitch, won't you think this glitch would be insanely chaotic? and at that time you have no choice but to keep this thing going on, because you either have to ban the whole server or you keep going. I really want this thing to be fixed and taken seriously, because I HATE IT TO MY FRICKING CORE and so does the other players. and if u dont then welp oof.

For people that said you can learn it. Can 200ms players like me easily learn it lmao? Legit 0.2 seconds slower. How the **** do we time that shit? Some people get 300ms