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The main way of getting something known to staff is through a report, which requires evidence. If you don't have any evidence, nothing can be done. To also answer how things "shouldn't be a players problem" - I agree they shouldn't be but I don't think they are. Staff have lives outside of this, so should you, and have things to do outside of this server. Someone using the excuse that they are playing on a family computer is a funny one to not be able to make screenshots, as you could make these screenshots, send them into the report, then delete the screenshot off of your computer. It's so weird to see that as a valid reason to not have evidence, but the fact that staff have lives outside of the server and therefor there are times no staff member is online, is an "excuse" that is invalid to you. Interesting.
If no staff member is on, that isn't anybody's problem as the way to get a problem handled is to either tell an online staff member who will often times look into it immediately, or as fast as they can, OR to make a report with evidence. The fact staff logged off right before those messages were sent for your third example is nobody's problem, the players could just have made a report or dmed one of the staff members on discord to ask their question. I don't see problems with the things you have mentioned; It's a simple case of the fact staff are volunteers, they have lives outside of the server and don't see every single message. If you think a Helper rank will fix that, I suggest making a suggestion for specifically that - backing up why that needs to be added with concrete evidence, not just words.
it actually IS the players problem, just wondering, how is it not? i know that staff are volunteers you already said that many times before, that they are unpaid workers doesnt mean that it solves the problems and that what they are doing isnt wrong. the msgs and behavior dont change because they are suddenly paid. and yes they still got their own lives, i'm not asking them to be online 24/7 on Invaded, but there is no staff online too often, and thats a problem. But instead of facing it and solving the problem, they just look away. Also about the family computer, its what they told me, weather its true or not it doesnt change the fact that there wasnt evidence, so why are you telling me this?
 
it actually IS the players problem, just wondering, how is it not? i know that staff are volunteers you already said that many times before, that they are unpaid workers doesnt mean that it solves the problems and that what they are doing isnt wrong. the msgs and behavior dont change because they are suddenly paid. and yes they still got their own lives, i'm not asking them to be online 24/7 on Invaded, but there is no staff online too often, and thats a problem. But instead of facing it and solving the problem, they just look away. Also about the family computer, its what they told me, weather its true or not it doesnt change the fact that there wasnt evidence, so why are you telling me this?
It is not the players' problem because there already is a solution, multiple even; DM a staff member on discord with a question, or make a report on the forums. It's legitimately as easy as that.

I still don't really understand what you mean with the msgs and behaviour of staff being a problem or being wrong - what you've told me I don't see any problems with, it just moreso seems like you not having enough evidence and not realising staff have a bunch of things to do.

Once again I'd like to point out nobody but the staff members know how often staff is online because they also do sit in /vanish and do things. I'd argue, if staff is in vanish, they're doing more of their job because they're not focussed on players constantly asking for attention and they get the chance to actually see what is happening on the server.

They don't look away - they actively try to solve things. If you DM a staff member something, they reply but you don't reply to them, how is that on the staff member?

Right I never said about the family PC whether it was true or not, I was just mentioning that there is still ways to make screenshots for reports even if that is the case.

Well, evidence does kind of change things as it proves what you're saying instead of just people needing to believe you for your word. Evidence is crucial in any form of handling punishments / people that break rules - if a court judges people based on "trust me bro this happened" a lot of people would be in jail unrightfully, and a lot of people breaking laws would roam free because of it..
 
It is not the players' problem because there already is a solution, multiple even; DM a staff member on discord with a question, or make a report on the forums. It's legitimately as easy as that.

I still don't really understand what you mean with the msgs and behaviour of staff being a problem or being wrong - what you've told me I don't see any problems with, it just moreso seems like you not having enough evidence and not realising staff have a bunch of things to do.

Once again I'd like to point out nobody but the staff members know how often staff is online because they also do sit in /vanish and do things. I'd argue, if staff is in vanish, they're doing more of their job because they're not focussed on players constantly asking for attention and they get the chance to actually see what is happening on the server.

They don't look away - they actively try to solve things. If you DM a staff member something, they reply but you don't reply to them, how is that on the staff member?

Right I never said about the family PC whether it was true or not, I was just mentioning that there is still ways to make screenshots for reports even if that is the case.

Well, evidence does kind of change things as it proves what you're saying instead of just people needing to believe you for your word. Evidence is crucial in any form of handling punishments / people that break rules - if a court judges people based on "trust me bro this happened" a lot of people would be in jail unrightfully, and a lot of people breaking laws would roam free because of it..

these are solutions, but they don't fix the problem. not everyone has a forums or discord account, most people do, but not everyone. and without evidence staff wont do anything, so i could go on rn bully some 6 year olds who dont think about screenshots and evidence. and there are multiple people I can bully and grief, i know who makes screenshots and who records everything, i also know who will fight back and say stupid stuff. Its not that hard to learn patterns, i could abuse it more then you expect. i actually did abuse no staff being on for 2 hours straight, and it was so much fun tbh, but i didnt know it was against the rules and never got a warning, even after confessing it to staff later on. and /vanish isnt a valid excuse to ignore this behavior (what i did) or to ignore people. If there was enough staff this would have never happend, and it would also solve some of the ''lack of evidence'' problems that players have.
 
these are solutions, but they don't fix the problem. not everyone has a forums or discord account, most people do, but not everyone. and without evidence staff wont do anything, so i could go on rn bully some 6 year olds who dont think about screenshots and evidence. and there are multiple people I can bully and grief, i know who makes screenshots and who records everything, i also know who will fight back and say stupid stuff. Its not that hard to learn patterns, i could abuse it more then you expect. i actually did abuse no staff being on for 2 hours straight, and it was so much fun tbh, but i didnt know it was against the rules and never got a warning, even after confessing it to staff later on. and /vanish isnt a valid excuse to ignore this behavior (what i did) or to ignore people. If there was enough staff this would have never happend, and it would also solve some of the ''lack of evidence'' problems that players have.
There's also /report ingame.
No you couldn't, they or others could report you through one of the many ways to report people.
Right sure you did
The lack of evidence "problems" is purely your responsibility so don't blame others for a mistake you made lol
 
There's also /report ingame.
No you couldn't, they or others could report you through one of the many ways to report people.
Right sure you did
The lack of evidence "problems" is purely your responsibility so don't blame others for a mistake you made lol
yes my lack of evidence HERE is a problem but i mean for other players in this case, when someone gets bullied or herrassed. and how 'fast' is /report in game again?
 
yes my lack of evidence HERE is a problem but i mean for other players in this case, when someone gets bullied or herrassed. and how 'fast' is /report in game again?
/report ingame is pretty fast to my knowledge?
Also still for other players, if you have too little evidence that's on the player, not on the staff
 
/report ingame is pretty fast to my knowledge?
Also still for other players, if you have too little evidence that's on the player, not on the staff
you havent seen al the complains about /report, have you?

Staff shouldn't expect people to record every time they are online because they cant do their job propperly or just don't have enough people. now they are just making their problem the players' problems. They can't moderate a server propperly, so the players have to have evidence of every single thing they report? thats just crazy to expect. I understand that evidence is needed to ban someone, but you can't tell me that there is no way to get it themselves. checking the chat logs? replay mod? i mean they have 2 good developers, i'm sure that if they really wanted to, then they could actually do so much more. but that means that they have to admit that they were wrong, wich i don't see happening.
 
you havent seen al the complains about /report, have you?

Staff shouldn't expect people to record every time they are online because they cant do their job propperly or just don't have enough people. now they are just making their problem the players' problems. They can't moderate a server propperly, so the players have to have evidence of every single thing they report? thats just crazy to expect. I understand that evidence is needed to ban someone, but you can't tell me that there is no way to get it themselves. checking the chat logs? replay mod? i mean they have 2 good developers, i'm sure that if they really wanted to, then they could actually do so much more. but that means that they have to admit that they were wrong, wich i don't see happening.
So simply put, you expect staff to be online enough, and to be big enough of a team to legitimately see & watch every single action taken on the server? Who says they don't already do the things you mentioned btw (Chat logs, replay mod etc)? They have in the past already admitted they were wrong many times so that argument is just silly to make
 
It's not their problems being made into players' problems - no, in real life if you want to sue someone, it isn't the job of the judge to get the evidence for you, it's your responsibility to provide said evidence.
 
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