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Players are terrible prosecutors - here's how you can do better

Players are terrible prosecutors - here's how you can do better

EnderEyeGames

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EnderEyeGames
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One observation I've maintained for as long as I've played is that players are generally unsuccessful in getting rule-breakers banned, even when they're personally victimized by the rule breaking. The reason can be summed up simply as "Players are terrible prosecutors".

Here's what I've noticed are the most common ways this happens:
- The biggest one by far is /report. Some people don't even know forum reports exist, and others see them as too much work. All /report does is alert online staff that someone is suspected of rule-breaking. If there are no online staff OR the offense is impossible to prove after the fact, /report is useless, even though it may make a player feel like they've done something. The most common thing that people get really mad about that /report is not at all useful for is TP trapping. Once you've been trapped, staff can't go back in time and prove that it happened. Simply having a trap is not against the rules, so the trapper would need to make the unwise decision of TP trapping another player while staff are watching.
- When people do make a forum report, it often does not prove beyond a reasonable doubt that a rule was broken. A lot of unexpected things can create reasonable doubt. Staff are forced to try to defend the accused player (in their mind) against the evidence and come up with a reason why it isn't good enough evidence, and that's a good thing! Players are innocent until proven guilty.

So what can you do about it?

If you think forum reports are too hard to make, there are things you can do to make it easier. Uploading an unlisted YT video is annoying and it may reveal your name if your account is like that. Staff will accept any kind of video link so long as it plays directly in the browser and doesn't require a file download. This means file hosts that create a direct link to the file (I use Catbox) work and are easy to use, as long as you upload a file that can be played in a browser. MP4, WebM, and MOV will work, MKV will not. OBS can be configured to record directly to MP4.

When you're gathering evidence, try and think like a defense attorney. For example, if my client was caught pearling in a claim while claim-banned, I would argue that the video does not prove that they were actually banned, and they could have just been standing still and pearling. This is reasonable doubt. As the reporter, knowing in advance that this defense will be used, you should do /claim banlist while recording, proving that the player is, in fact, banned. You have to prove every element of the offense, even the ones that seem trivial to you.
 
a truly fair approach would also consider the fact that many staff members don't go through the effort of looking into things if they don't take a player seriously, and higher ups will be biased in looking into things based on whether or not they see the reporting player as "mature"

I see your point, but both sides are at fault.
 
a truly fair approach would also consider the fact that many staff members don't go through the effort of looking into things if they don't take a player seriously, and higher ups will be biased in looking into things based on whether or not they see the reporting player as "mature"

I see your point, but both sides are at fault.
Such is life, real juries are swayed by stuff like that too. That said, even though I'd like to think staff take me somewhat seriously, I've gotten many reports denied for insufficient evidence, and they usually don't even tell me what the "reasonable doubt" they found was. It'd be nice if they could tell reporters what the issue was when it isn't obvious.
 
Such is life, real juries are swayed by stuff like that too. That said, even though I'd like to think staff take me somewhat seriously, I've gotten many reports denied for insufficient evidence, and they usually don't even tell me what the "reasonable doubt" they found was. It'd be nice if they could tell reporters what the issue was when it isn't obvious.
that's a very fair point, but the whole idea of staff thinking of themselves as real juries is what rubs me the wrong way

I feel like the higher ups especially on this server take their jobs way too seriously, except they don't actually do them very well. I mean, look at the status of the server and the gamemodes, not very impressive. They're so caught up in their idea that they're doing something so important that they forget to remember to actually do half of the important things they're responsible for.

I feel like this server has gone from friends and active players becoming staff because they love the server to just another plain boring experience where staff see working for invaded as a big whoop because of who owns it. It sucks, truly. Im not expecting the server to be as social and communal as it used to be, but I feel like half the staff dont even know anything about the server or care about the players.
 
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