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Introduction
I'm back...
This time I'd like to introduce a new topic.
Management and what they're doing wrong
While yes, this topic was introduced on the forums multiple times, I would like to discuss more ideas to why.

I'd like to start off with the commonly discussed topics.
this thread will also include issues with the staff team.
Skeppy's Events
I'd like to start it off with our beloved owner: Zak / Skeppy.
If you're an active subscriber of Zak / player of InvadedLands, it's not hard to notice Skeppy's events such as "I trapped 100 kids in a bedrock box" or parkour related challenges, etc.
You'd think that there's no reason to worry, that he's just treating his active members of the server with a fun little event.
Unfortunately there's so much wrong with what he's doing.
First off, he never gives some sort of heads up that he's about to send everyone to the event server, but does it without thinking about the gear lost while doing so, due to combat logging.
This results in players looking gear they paid hundreds even thousands disappear within seconds, because their beloved owner wanted video content.

Second, after this does happen, no refund is given to those who lost their gear. They just deal with it.
Third, The events' prizes are completely biased.
The man constantly gives out top ranks like God and Overlord for months because they were able to stand on a bridge for slightly longer than anyone else or make a simple parkour jump.
Now, you probably don't see this as a huge problem, the money goes to Zak, it's his decision to lose the money that could've been saved if he gave a slightly worse prize.
Here's the thing that not only was that money supposed to go into the server's fundings and in order to pay the management and Neon, but this is also quite unfair to those who have paid fairly for their ranks to see some random guy get it because he was standing on a bridge.

Attention
Between youth and teenage years, it's quite frequently noticeable that people seek attention, usually from a person with higher powers than those people, as for example how 90% of the invadedlands community goes nuts when there's a moderator or higher online.
Unfortunately, this need cannot be supplied to those people, due to them being ignored by some moderators and above.
Heck there are some moderators and even admins who would go AFK for hours because they haven't noticed they didn't leave, holding many players spamming the chat just to get support from the same moderator who didn't care to check whether his PC is turned on or not.
Some moderators who usually ignore the chat, commonly respond with "I'm busy with other problems at the moment, I'm just one guy I cannot do everything by myself!" well here's the thing that some servers' staff members do.
Take servers like Hypixel, Even helpers have to constantly moderate in game and on the forums at once yet they're doing a fantastic job at it. Or even servers like ManaCube, where some staff members are sometimes left to handle a server filled with hundreds of players yet they still do a fantastic job at it.
I just don't see why InvadedLands can't.

The reason why players join
If we went on servers like Hypixel and asked "why do you join hypixel" you'll be able to see responses like "to play ___", "to hang out with my friends", "grind", etc.
Then there's InvadedLands, where the reason why 90% of people join is due to wanting to 'fanboy' or get recognized by Skeppy and Zelkam, causing them to sit in spawn and chat constantly flooding and spamming just so their favorite youtuber notices them and 'trolls' them.
People are literally standing for days now in "armies" just so Skeppy notices them.
But what's the difference? Why do people join Hypixel to play and have fun when people join Invaded in order to fanboy youtubers?
It's quite simple.
The management on hypixel is active, and constantly reviewing suggestions and listens to community feedback in order to know how they can make their server even better.
Unlike InvadedLands, where there's a lack of forum activity between management, feedback and suggestions are frequently ignored and whey do, they're usually made fun of and are publicly shamed because they don't agree with the suggestion or feedback.

If I'm being honest the "InvadedLands Council" seems like a total joke, and really doesn't do anything, nor does it have a lot of power.
Not to mention all of their decisions are based off 3-4 players' feedback, and are not even being published for opinions between the whole community making our gameplay reliant on some quite toxic members of the community and some randoms.

The way things are handled
Just like I mentioned earlier, members of the forums are quite frequently made fun of by the management and staff team due to their suggestions, feedback, appeals, applications, reports, etc.
Heck there's a full series by Zelkam just to shame people who applied for staff or appealed their ban, which is sickening me that the younger audience that made these appeals / applications are made fun of because they aren't currently able to make standing out appeals/apps due to their "brain not being yet fully developed".
Not to mention, a few months ago a former staff member was banned from the discord server by MegaPVP because he was giving criticism about the server with the message "how about you make another thread about it?"


This is basically the end.
If anyone wants to give feedback on this thread, please make sure it's respectful towards both me and the staff team themselves.
 
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Myself being a senior councillior I’d like to discuss your points made about the player council.

The player council is unofficial meaning we aren’t directly connected to the staff team or server. We do the best we have with the materials given to us. When the original idea was first brought up Apex tried to make it an official thing but nothing ever happened, he took his own initiative and made his own decisions where he would still carry out this idea even if it wasn’t an official thing.

Please give more concept on why you think the council is a “joke” so I can further explain what we do and how we execute our tasks.
 
Introduction
I'm back...
This time I'd like to introduce a new topic.
Management and what they're doing wrong
While yes, this topic was introduced on the forums multiple times, I would like to discuss more ideas to why.

I'd like to start off with the commonly discussed topics.
this thread will also include issues with the staff team.
Skeppy's Events
I'd like to start it off with our beloved owner: Zak / Skeppy.
If you're an active subscriber of Zak / player of InvadedLands, it's not hard to notice Skeppy's events such as "I trapped 100 kids in a bedrock box" or parkour related challenges, etc.
You'd think that there's no reason to worry, that he's just treating his active members of the server with a fun little event.
Unfortunately there's so much wrong with what he's doing.
First off, he never gives some sort of heads up that he's about to send everyone to the event server, but does it without thinking about the gear lost while doing so, due to combat logging.
This results in players looking gear they paid hundreds even thousands disappear within seconds, because their beloved owner wanted video content.

Second, after this does happen, no refund is given to those who lost their gear. They just deal with it.
Third, The events' prizes are completely biased.
The man constantly gives out top ranks like God and Overlord for months because they were able to stand on a bridge for slightly longer than anyone else or make a simple parkour jump.
Now, you probably don't see this as a huge problem, the money goes to Zak, it's his decision to lose the money that could've been saved if he gave a slightly worse prize.
Here's the thing that not only was that money supposed to go into the server's fundings and in order to pay the management and Neon, but this is also quite unfair to those who have paid fairly for their ranks to see some random guy get it because he was standing on a bridge.

Attention
Between youth and teenage years, it's quite frequently noticeable that people seek attention, usually from a person with higher powers than those people, as for example how 90% of the invadedlands community goes nuts when there's a moderator or higher online.
Unfortunately, this need cannot be supplied to those people, due to them being ignored by some moderators and above.
Heck there are some moderators and even admins who would go AFK for hours because they haven't noticed they didn't leave, holding many players spamming the chat just to get support from the same moderator who didn't care to check whether his PC is turned on or not.
Some moderators who usually ignore the chat, commonly respond with "I'm busy with other problems at the moment, I'm just one guy I cannot do everything by myself!" well here's the thing that some servers' staff members do.
Take servers like Hypixel, Even helpers have to constantly moderate in game and on the forums at once yet they're doing a fantastic job at it. Or even servers like ManaCube, where some staff members are sometimes left to handle a server filled with hundreds of players yet they still do a fantastic job at it.
I just don't see why InvadedLands can't.

The reason why players join
If we went on servers like Hypixel and asked "why do you join hypixel" you'll be able to see responses like "to play ___", "to hang out with my friends", "grind", etc.
Then there's InvadedLands, where the reason why 90% of people join is due to wanting to 'fanboy' or get recognized by Skeppy and Zelkam, causing them to sit in spawn and chat constantly flooding and spamming just so their favorite youtuber notices them and 'trolls' them.
But what's the difference? Why do people join Hypixel to play and have fun when people join Invaded in order to fanboy youtubers?
It's quite simple.
The management on hypixel is active, and constantly reviewing suggestions and listens to community feedback in order to know how they can make their server even better.
Unlike InvadedLands, where there's a lack of forum activity between management, feedback and suggestions are frequently ignored and whey do, they're usually made fun of and are publicly shamed because they don't agree with the suggestion or feedback.
If I'm being honest the "InvadedLands Council" seems like a total joke, and really doesn't do anything, nor does it have a lot of power.

The way things are handled
Just like I mentioned earlier, members of the forums are quite frequently made fun of by the management and staff team due to their suggestions, feedback, appeals, applications, reports, etc.
Heck there's a full series by Zelkam just to shame people who applied for staff or appealed their ban, which is sickening me that the younger audience that made these appeals / applications are made fun of because they aren't currently able to make standing out appeals/apps due to their "brain not being yet fully developed".
Not to mention, a few months ago a former staff member was banned from the discord server by MegaPVP because he was giving criticism about the server with the message "how about you make another thread about it?"


This is basically the end.
If anyone wants to give feedback on this thread, please make sure it's respectful towards both me and the staff team themselves.
+1 This is just facts, especially with the ranks. People pay irl money for these ranks, and skeppy just dishes them out like it's nothing.
 
Myself being a senior councillior I’d like to discuss your points made about the player council.

The player council is unofficial meaning we aren’t directly connected to the staff team or server. We do the best we have with the materials given to us. When the original idea was first brought up Apex tried to make it an official thing but nothing ever happened, he took his own initiative and made his own decisions where he would still carry out this idea even if it wasn’t an official thing.

Please give more concept on why you think the council is a “joke” so I can further explain what we do and how we execute our tasks.
Due to this not being related at all to this thread, I'll message you later on discord if I'd like to continue this discussion.
 
I always watch Zelk's " ___ appeals or appeals that will hurt your brain" or something with that title and I've never actually thought about it if those people who made the appeals were watching the video. I've just watched them as entertainment. Now I actually realize that those videos can be hurtful to the people who made those appeals if they were really trying to get accepted and not trolling. Also I can definitely agree with the "fan boy" stuff. The chat is constantly filled up with spam and people typing in all caps "SKEPPY!".
 
I'd like to start it off with our beloved owner: Zak / Skeppy.

First off, I agree with Invincible that you shouldn't call people here by their real names, I don't think they feel very comfortable with it.

mmmhmmmmmmmmm..... :unsure: :unsure: :unsure: :unsure: :unsure:
 
Introduction
I'm back...
This time I'd like to introduce a new topic.
Management and what they're doing wrong
While yes, this topic was introduced on the forums multiple times, I would like to discuss more ideas to why.

I'd like to start off with the commonly discussed topics.
this thread will also include issues with the staff team.
Skeppy's Events
I'd like to start it off with our beloved owner: Zak / Skeppy.
If you're an active subscriber of Zak / player of InvadedLands, it's not hard to notice Skeppy's events such as "I trapped 100 kids in a bedrock box" or parkour related challenges, etc.
You'd think that there's no reason to worry, that he's just treating his active members of the server with a fun little event.
Unfortunately there's so much wrong with what he's doing.
First off, he never gives some sort of heads up that he's about to send everyone to the event server, but does it without thinking about the gear lost while doing so, due to combat logging.
This results in players looking gear they paid hundreds even thousands disappear within seconds, because their beloved owner wanted video content.

Second, after this does happen, no refund is given to those who lost their gear. They just deal with it.
Third, The events' prizes are completely biased.
The man constantly gives out top ranks like God and Overlord for months because they were able to stand on a bridge for slightly longer than anyone else or make a simple parkour jump.
Now, you probably don't see this as a huge problem, the money goes to Zak, it's his decision to lose the money that could've been saved if he gave a slightly worse prize.
Here's the thing that not only was that money supposed to go into the server's fundings and in order to pay the management and Neon, but this is also quite unfair to those who have paid fairly for their ranks to see some random guy get it because he was standing on a bridge.

Attention
Between youth and teenage years, it's quite frequently noticeable that people seek attention, usually from a person with higher powers than those people, as for example how 90% of the invadedlands community goes nuts when there's a moderator or higher online.
Unfortunately, this need cannot be supplied to those people, due to them being ignored by some moderators and above.
Heck there are some moderators and even admins who would go AFK for hours because they haven't noticed they didn't leave, holding many players spamming the chat just to get support from the same moderator who didn't care to check whether his PC is turned on or not.
Some moderators who usually ignore the chat, commonly respond with "I'm busy with other problems at the moment, I'm just one guy I cannot do everything by myself!" well here's the thing that some servers' staff members do.
Take servers like Hypixel, Even helpers have to constantly moderate in game and on the forums at once yet they're doing a fantastic job at it. Or even servers like ManaCube, where some staff members are sometimes left to handle a server filled with hundreds of players yet they still do a fantastic job at it.
I just don't see why InvadedLands can't.

The reason why players join
If we went on servers like Hypixel and asked "why do you join hypixel" you'll be able to see responses like "to play ___", "to hang out with my friends", "grind", etc.
Then there's InvadedLands, where the reason why 90% of people join is due to wanting to 'fanboy' or get recognized by Skeppy and Zelkam, causing them to sit in spawn and chat constantly flooding and spamming just so their favorite youtuber notices them and 'trolls' them.
People are literally standing for days now in "armies" just so Skeppy notices them.
But what's the difference? Why do people join Hypixel to play and have fun when people join Invaded in order to fanboy youtubers?
It's quite simple.
The management on hypixel is active, and constantly reviewing suggestions and listens to community feedback in order to know how they can make their server even better.
Unlike InvadedLands, where there's a lack of forum activity between management, feedback and suggestions are frequently ignored and whey do, they're usually made fun of and are publicly shamed because they don't agree with the suggestion or feedback.

If I'm being honest the "InvadedLands Council" seems like a total joke, and really doesn't do anything, nor does it have a lot of power.

The way things are handled
Just like I mentioned earlier, members of the forums are quite frequently made fun of by the management and staff team due to their suggestions, feedback, appeals, applications, reports, etc.
Heck there's a full series by Zelkam just to shame people who applied for staff or appealed their ban, which is sickening me that the younger audience that made these appeals / applications are made fun of because they aren't currently able to make standing out appeals/apps due to their "brain not being yet fully developed".
Not to mention, a few months ago a former staff member was banned from the discord server by MegaPVP because he was giving criticism about the server with the message "how about you make another thread about it?"


This is basically the end.
If anyone wants to give feedback on this thread, please make sure it's respectful towards both me and the staff team themselves.

I honestly think that the way people are sent to the event server is complete bull.
As you know the server sends people from right to left, meaning that people who DIDN'T purchase a rank has a chance to get inside.
BUT the people who BOUGHT ranks can never get inside, MOST ESPECIALLY the HIGHER RANKS.
 
I completely agree here.

But at the end of the day, its skeppy's server. He can do what he wants with it. Giving someone overlord for free isn't gonna stop the piles of money coming in each week.

Regarding the player council, I half agree. But it is a fantastic way to gather ideas and keep the server updating.
 
Introduction
I'm back...
This time I'd like to introduce a new topic.
Management and what they're doing wrong
While yes, this topic was introduced on the forums multiple times, I would like to discuss more ideas to why.

I'd like to start off with the commonly discussed topics.
this thread will also include issues with the staff team.
Skeppy's Events
I'd like to start it off with our beloved owner: Zak / Skeppy.
If you're an active subscriber of Zak / player of InvadedLands, it's not hard to notice Skeppy's events such as "I trapped 100 kids in a bedrock box" or parkour related challenges, etc.
You'd think that there's no reason to worry, that he's just treating his active members of the server with a fun little event.
Unfortunately there's so much wrong with what he's doing.
First off, he never gives some sort of heads up that he's about to send everyone to the event server, but does it without thinking about the gear lost while doing so, due to combat logging.
This results in players looking gear they paid hundreds even thousands disappear within seconds, because their beloved owner wanted video content.

Second, after this does happen, no refund is given to those who lost their gear. They just deal with it.
Third, The events' prizes are completely biased.
The man constantly gives out top ranks like God and Overlord for months because they were able to stand on a bridge for slightly longer than anyone else or make a simple parkour jump.
Now, you probably don't see this as a huge problem, the money goes to Zak, it's his decision to lose the money that could've been saved if he gave a slightly worse prize.
Here's the thing that not only was that money supposed to go into the server's fundings and in order to pay the management and Neon, but this is also quite unfair to those who have paid fairly for their ranks to see some random guy get it because he was standing on a bridge.

Attention
Between youth and teenage years, it's quite frequently noticeable that people seek attention, usually from a person with higher powers than those people, as for example how 90% of the invadedlands community goes nuts when there's a moderator or higher online.
Unfortunately, this need cannot be supplied to those people, due to them being ignored by some moderators and above.
Heck there are some moderators and even admins who would go AFK for hours because they haven't noticed they didn't leave, holding many players spamming the chat just to get support from the same moderator who didn't care to check whether his PC is turned on or not.
Some moderators who usually ignore the chat, commonly respond with "I'm busy with other problems at the moment, I'm just one guy I cannot do everything by myself!" well here's the thing that some servers' staff members do.
Take servers like Hypixel, Even helpers have to constantly moderate in game and on the forums at once yet they're doing a fantastic job at it. Or even servers like ManaCube, where some staff members are sometimes left to handle a server filled with hundreds of players yet they still do a fantastic job at it.
I just don't see why InvadedLands can't.

The reason why players join
If we went on servers like Hypixel and asked "why do you join hypixel" you'll be able to see responses like "to play ___", "to hang out with my friends", "grind", etc.
Then there's InvadedLands, where the reason why 90% of people join is due to wanting to 'fanboy' or get recognized by Skeppy and Zelkam, causing them to sit in spawn and chat constantly flooding and spamming just so their favorite youtuber notices them and 'trolls' them.
People are literally standing for days now in "armies" just so Skeppy notices them.
But what's the difference? Why do people join Hypixel to play and have fun when people join Invaded in order to fanboy youtubers?
It's quite simple.
The management on hypixel is active, and constantly reviewing suggestions and listens to community feedback in order to know how they can make their server even better.
Unlike InvadedLands, where there's a lack of forum activity between management, feedback and suggestions are frequently ignored and whey do, they're usually made fun of and are publicly shamed because they don't agree with the suggestion or feedback.

If I'm being honest the "InvadedLands Council" seems like a total joke, and really doesn't do anything, nor does it have a lot of power.

The way things are handled
Just like I mentioned earlier, members of the forums are quite frequently made fun of by the management and staff team due to their suggestions, feedback, appeals, applications, reports, etc.
Heck there's a full series by Zelkam just to shame people who applied for staff or appealed their ban, which is sickening me that the younger audience that made these appeals / applications are made fun of because they aren't currently able to make standing out appeals/apps due to their "brain not being yet fully developed".
Not to mention, a few months ago a former staff member was banned from the discord server by MegaPVP because he was giving criticism about the server with the message "how about you make another thread about it?"


This is basically the end.
If anyone wants to give feedback on this thread, please make sure it's respectful towards both me and the staff team themselves.


ok mabye i am just lazy but i dont want to read a shakespear novle about skeppy events no effence Lol hahahaahhahahahhahaahhhsjjdhfjsdhfjhds
 
Introduction
I'm back...
This time I'd like to introduce a new topic.
Management and what they're doing wrong
While yes, this topic was introduced on the forums multiple times, I would like to discuss more ideas to why.

I'd like to start off with the commonly discussed topics.
this thread will also include issues with the staff team.
Skeppy's Events
I'd like to start it off with our beloved owner: Zak / Skeppy.
If you're an active subscriber of Zak / player of InvadedLands, it's not hard to notice Skeppy's events such as "I trapped 100 kids in a bedrock box" or parkour related challenges, etc.
You'd think that there's no reason to worry, that he's just treating his active members of the server with a fun little event.
Unfortunately there's so much wrong with what he's doing.
First off, he never gives some sort of heads up that he's about to send everyone to the event server, but does it without thinking about the gear lost while doing so, due to combat logging.
This results in players looking gear they paid hundreds even thousands disappear within seconds, because their beloved owner wanted video content.

Second, after this does happen, no refund is given to those who lost their gear. They just deal with it.
Third, The events' prizes are completely biased.
The man constantly gives out top ranks like God and Overlord for months because they were able to stand on a bridge for slightly longer than anyone else or make a simple parkour jump.
Now, you probably don't see this as a huge problem, the money goes to Zak, it's his decision to lose the money that could've been saved if he gave a slightly worse prize.
Here's the thing that not only was that money supposed to go into the server's fundings and in order to pay the management and Neon, but this is also quite unfair to those who have paid fairly for their ranks to see some random guy get it because he was standing on a bridge.

Attention
Between youth and teenage years, it's quite frequently noticeable that people seek attention, usually from a person with higher powers than those people, as for example how 90% of the invadedlands community goes nuts when there's a moderator or higher online.
Unfortunately, this need cannot be supplied to those people, due to them being ignored by some moderators and above.
Heck there are some moderators and even admins who would go AFK for hours because they haven't noticed they didn't leave, holding many players spamming the chat just to get support from the same moderator who didn't care to check whether his PC is turned on or not.
Some moderators who usually ignore the chat, commonly respond with "I'm busy with other problems at the moment, I'm just one guy I cannot do everything by myself!" well here's the thing that some servers' staff members do.
Take servers like Hypixel, Even helpers have to constantly moderate in game and on the forums at once yet they're doing a fantastic job at it. Or even servers like ManaCube, where some staff members are sometimes left to handle a server filled with hundreds of players yet they still do a fantastic job at it.
I just don't see why InvadedLands can't.

The reason why players join
If we went on servers like Hypixel and asked "why do you join hypixel" you'll be able to see responses like "to play ___", "to hang out with my friends", "grind", etc.
Then there's InvadedLands, where the reason why 90% of people join is due to wanting to 'fanboy' or get recognized by Skeppy and Zelkam, causing them to sit in spawn and chat constantly flooding and spamming just so their favorite youtuber notices them and 'trolls' them.
People are literally standing for days now in "armies" just so Skeppy notices them.
But what's the difference? Why do people join Hypixel to play and have fun when people join Invaded in order to fanboy youtubers?
It's quite simple.
The management on hypixel is active, and constantly reviewing suggestions and listens to community feedback in order to know how they can make their server even better.
Unlike InvadedLands, where there's a lack of forum activity between management, feedback and suggestions are frequently ignored and whey do, they're usually made fun of and are publicly shamed because they don't agree with the suggestion or feedback.

If I'm being honest the "InvadedLands Council" seems like a total joke, and really doesn't do anything, nor does it have a lot of power.

The way things are handled
Just like I mentioned earlier, members of the forums are quite frequently made fun of by the management and staff team due to their suggestions, feedback, appeals, applications, reports, etc.
Heck there's a full series by Zelkam just to shame people who applied for staff or appealed their ban, which is sickening me that the younger audience that made these appeals / applications are made fun of because they aren't currently able to make standing out appeals/apps due to their "brain not being yet fully developed".
Not to mention, a few months ago a former staff member was banned from the discord server by MegaPVP because he was giving criticism about the server with the message "how about you make another thread about it?"


This is basically the end.
If anyone wants to give feedback on this thread, please make sure it's respectful towards both me and the staff team themselves.
I very much know what you mean.
I have god rank on that server, and whenever Skeppy gives an overlord rank to someone just because they stood on a bridge for 2 seconds more than anyone else is not good. Every time Skeppy does that I feel like I should just refund my rank, and unsub from Skeppy.

The Skeppy army thing is the same. Mods should mute the people that are encouraging this for it is encouraging spamming, and just flooding the chat of useless stuff. If mods aren't getting any reports, then its going to be hard to find those people who have seen hacks and try to type it in chat, but their chat is being flooded with, " jOiN tHe SkEpPy ArMy," and "WOO SPIFEY CLUB" its just getting annoying at this point, and if this were to be on a server like hypixel, and the owner (hypixel) is famous, then they would definetly mute the spammers. The mods are just being illogical at this point and should start using their intuition.

I hope all the staff read this, for it is very important.
( @Skeppy @Nicki @Zelkam @Hamodi @Wqlk @Lauren @Decay @S0V @Mega )
 
The Skeppy army thing is the same. Mods should mute the people that are encouraging this for it is encouraging spamming, and just flooding the chat of useless stuff. If mods aren't getting any reports, then its going to be hard to find those people who have seen hacks and try to type it in chat, but their chat is being flooded with, " jOiN tHe SkEpPy ArMy," and "WOO SPIFEY CLUB" its just getting annoying at this point, and if this were to be on a server like hypixel, and the owner (hypixel) is famous, then they would definetly mute the spammers. The mods are just being illogical at this point and should start using their intuition.

I hope all the staff read this, for it is very important.
( @Skeppy @Nicki @Zelkam @Hamodi @Wqlk @Lauren @Decay @S0V @Mega )
you do realise the punishments are mostly silent right? lots are people are being muted!
 
Myself being a senior councillior I’d like to discuss your points made about the player council.

The player council is unofficial meaning we aren’t directly connected to the staff team or server. We do the best we have with the materials given to us. When the original idea was first brought up Apex tried to make it an official thing but nothing ever happened, he took his own initiative and made his own decisions where he would still carry out this idea even if it wasn’t an official thing.

Please give more concept on why you think the council is a “joke” so I can further explain what we do and how we execute our tasks.
lmfao
 
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