Why we shit talking the developer and why are we saying this season deserves a 0/10.

[jayzz]

He told me before the reset all chucks were loaded before the reset. He made the changes to /fly to help performance issues because he didn't want people flying around to load chucks...BUT THEY WERE "PRE LOADED" He makes sooooooo much sense

if u read the thread then u'd maybe understand a bit more but heres a quote from him that might help u

"Minecraft cannot keep up with a bunch of players mass flying around loading chunks, entities and the such for a prolonged period of time. It literally cannot tick and garbage collect things quick enough to stop the lag that would occur in such a scenario.

Minecraft doesn't keep pre-generated chunks loaded in it's memory, nor does it waste precious CPU time in ticking them. It saves them to the disk, and loads them again as necessary. What we're trying to prevent here is people mass loading chunks. We've done a lot of work to ensure that the server can keep up with our player base. We have pre-generated the map, we did finely tweak the spawning rates, and yes, we did add temporary flight."

 

[DoctaN208]

if u read the thread then u'd maybe understand a bit more but heres a quote from him that might help u

"Minecraft cannot keep up with a bunch of players mass flying around loading chunks, entities and the such for a prolonged period of time. It literally cannot tick and garbage collect things quick enough to stop the lag that would occur in such a scenario.

Minecraft doesn't keep pre-generated chunks loaded in it's memory, nor does it waste precious CPU time in ticking them. It saves them to the disk, and loads them again as necessary. What we're trying to prevent here is people mass loading chunks. We've done a lot of work to ensure that the server can keep up with our player base. We have pre-generated the map, we did finely tweak the spawning rates, and yes, we did add temporary flight."

 

[Fiebe]

@Fabelz

Solid points.

Yeah the piston issue solution coming 2 weeks into the season is not nice and same thikg with the ig nerfing coming 2 weeks into the season.

But you do have to agree that this nerf doesn’t even come close to “ruining the economy”.

 

[DoctaN208]

Solid points.

Yeah the piston issue solution coming 2 weeks into the season is not nice and same thikg with the ig nerfing coming 2 weeks into the season.

But you do have to agree that this nerf doesn’t even come close to “ruining the economy”.

No, it does, igp's are by a LONG SHOT the highest grossing farms in the game, and they practically got DOUBLE nerfed, so not only are they already way worse now, but tons of people are also talking about how they aren't even going to bother either building a farm or even playing anymore until this shit is fixed. If thats not ruining the economy then I don't know what is.

 

[Fiebe]

A lot of important things are being compromised for "performance" this season, (fly, golem farms, etc), because of the version. At this point, I would much rather have the version be changed back to 1.16, or even 1.12-1.8.9, if it means getting important parts of survival back.

Not to mention that the 1.19 version doesn't even really work, as claims can be broken below y0 and above y255, which means you can't even really build there. The building blocks aren't worth the issues/compromises

Yeah also a solid point, yet very arguable. Some may say it’s worth it to switch to 1.19 at the cost of said things, some may say it isn’t.
The claim issue is real tho and can be a bother

 

[Fiebe]

No, it does, igp's are by a LONG SHOT the highest grossing farms in the game, and they practically got DOUBLE nerfed, so not only are they already way worse now, but tons of people are also talking about how they aren't even going to bother either building a farm or even playing anymore until this shit is fixed. If thats not ruining the economy then I don't know what is.

I mean if you “don’t bother building any more farms” then it’s a bit on you too.
Because let’s be real if you just build a different kind of farm, it won’t make that big of a change that will actually “ruin economy”.

 

[DoctaN208]

I mean if you “don’t bother building any more farms” then it’s a bit on you too.
Because let’s be real if you just build a different kind of farm, it won’t make that big of a change that will actually “ruin economy”.

I don't think you understand how running a server works.

 

[Fiebe]

So taking away full /fly is not scummy? Wtf do you mean? Fabelz should be looking at other options before going for an easy solution when it will affect the server as a whole. Then destroy a whole method of how to make money that has been on IL for longer than I played. The server feels it has been made in 10 mins. All this server performance shit is bullshit. If Fabelz knew it /fly gonna be an issue (When it was never an issue before.) Why did he agree to make the world board 30k x 30k blocks? Also, Fabelz said the world was pre-loaded...Yeah, that bull shit. Then states that the server CPU won't handle it. AGAIN IT WAS NEVER AN ISSUE. Also, the eco is dead. Is someone already having 100 mills? and you saying u can't make hella money? Think before saying stuff and saying my name.


The server is bad. And Fabelz not doing well.

First of all, extremely childish reaction at the end of your comment: “think before saying stuff and saying my name” (and then the “threats” you made about me ‘saying your name in a thread’ even more so), I said multiple times in my post that maybe I’m not enough informed, that I just think … based on the information I have, and all I said was “people LIKE doris who rathe the server 0/10…” so you feeling even a bit “attacked” by this post and telling me to “think again before saying your name” is rather childish.

The main thing I was disagreeing with you about was your “0/10 (yes I know this is an exaggeration but still)” and “survival is ruined”. It’s just not, period. If I had to make a poll (and I did indeed ask around to many people) about 8.5/10 are satisfied with the season.

also you saying “he doesn’t know what he’s doing and he’s ruining survival” is just… well… wrong. He’s a good developer (which most of the staff team also agreed with) and he does know what he’s doing, I don’t think they would have hired him if he didn’t doris .

I won’t go into discussion too much about the fly issue, imo he made some valid points to why it was removed, but again: as i mentioned in my post, I don’t know this for sure and I might be wrong.


Still, all this aside, the fly problem was only a small argument in my post, so if you think the reduced fly time only outside claims (and the nerfing of igs) is that big of a deal that survival is RUINED, then you go ahead and think that it’s your opinion but I just disagree.

 

[Fiebe]

I don't think you understand how running a server works.

Nah I think I get the jiz, yeah saying it’s all on the people wasn’t really what I meant so mb in phrasing it that way but my whole point is: Nerfing or even taking away the most “valuable” farms will NOT ruin an economy.

 

[lmEvan]

So taking away full /fly is not scummy? Wtf do you mean? Fabelz should be looking at other options before going for an easy solution when it will affect the server as a whole. Then destroy a whole method of how to make money that has been on IL for longer than I played. The server feels it has been made in 10 mins. All this server performance shit is bullshit. If Fabelz knew it /fly gonna be an issue (When it was never an issue before.) Why did he agree to make the world board 30k x 30k blocks? Also, Fabelz said the world was pre-loaded...Yeah, that bull shit. Then states that the server CPU won't handle it. AGAIN IT WAS NEVER AN ISSUE. Also, the eco is dead. Is someone already having 100 mills? and you saying u can't make hella money? Think before saying stuff and saying my name.


The server is bad. And Fabelz not doing well.

exactly what I'm saying, we payed 10 dollars for some shitty 5 minute fly time

 

[Fiebe]

exactly what I'm saying, we payed 10 dollars for some shitty 5 minute fly time

Yeah it sucks, and it will feel like a big change at the beginning and yes, some may say it’s scummy, but that’s arguable, but you will get used to it and having infite fly time in claims or trusted claims is still very nice and most important.

IN THEORY you did pay money for the /fly command though, it was not listed what /fly would “do”

/heal is a much bigger scam

 

[DoctaN208]

Nah I think I get the jiz, yeah saying it’s all on the people wasn’t really what I meant so mb in phrasing it that way but my whole point is: Nerfing or even taking away the most “valuable” farms will NOT ruin an economy.

The entire point of a server is to get players to join and to be good to the players so they stay. People play servers for a reason. The entire appeal of every successful server ever can basically be dwindled down into 2 things: how enjoyable the server is, and how competitive it is. Something like kitpvp might be a mixture of that. Survival used to be a mixture of that, until they had to take away rewards because of EULA issues. After that survival has practically been entirely about enjoyment. People made it enjoyable by giving them challenging yet obtainable hard goals to reach, which are basically entirely; make huge farms, get tons of money. They've basically destroyed that entire thing now. There is far less incentive to spend so much time on the server to make huge farms, and the ability to even do that in the first place has already been severely limited. You know what happens when you do things like that to a server? People complain about it and they leave. Literally contradicting the entire point of a server, is to have players. Fabelz is a developer, and he is only a developer. So it's not his fault, but he only thinks about it on the servers side of things. Sure it's on paper better for the server to do these things because it may improve the performance a little. For a server that relies as much on enjoyment as survival does, you have very little sacrificial room to change things for, whats in the players eyes, for the worse. They have gone far beyond that line. This is why so many survival players are complaining about it and many already leaving if not just giving up. Fabelz , sure it may improve performance, but is it worth it at the expense of the players at large at a quantity such as this? In any normal server owners eyes, they would say no. Whether this means reverting some of your changes, or just changing the servers version back to what it used to be, or upgrading the server with skeppys huge bank account, whatever the solution may be, the expense of players enjoyment which is what the current solutions have been knicking off is the LAST option you want to resort to. And Fiebe, this stuff just contradicts what the survival servers playerbase has built as the entire point to it. That is not how you run a successful server. That is how you save a few bucks, destroying your server at the expense of that.

 

[Deleted member 733]

holy moly guys

 

[Fiebe]

The entire point of a server is to get players to join and to be good to the players so they stay. People play servers for a reason. The entire appeal of every successful server ever can basically be dwindled down into 2 things: how enjoyable the server is, and how competitive it is. Something like kitpvp might be a mixture of that. Survival used to be a mixture of that, until they had to take away rewards because of EULA issues. After that survival has practically been entirely about enjoyment. People made it enjoyable by giving them challenging yet obtainable hard goals to reach, which are basically entirely; make huge farms, get tons of money. They've basically destroyed that entire thing now. There is far less incentive to spend so much time on the server to make huge farms, and the ability to even do that in the first place has already been severely limited. You know what happens when you do things like that to a server? People complain about it and they leave. Literally contradicting the entire point of a server, is to have players. Fabelz is a developer, and he is only a developer. So it's not his fault, but he only thinks about it on the servers side of things. Sure it's on paper better for the server to do these things because it may improve the performance a little. For a server that relies as much on enjoyment as survival does, you have very little sacrificial room to change things for, whats in the players eyes, for the worse. They have gone far beyond that line. This is why so many survival players are complaining about it and many already leaving if not just giving up. Fabelz , sure it may improve performance, but is it worth it at the expense of the players at large at a quantity such as this? In any normal server owners eyes, they would say no. Whether this means reverting some of your changes, or just changing the servers version back to what it used to be, or upgrading the server with skeppys huge bank account, whatever the solution may be, the expense of players enjoyment which is what the current solutions have been knicking off is the LAST option you want to resort to. And Fiebe, this stuff just contradicts what the survival servers playerbase has built as the entire point to it. That is not how you run a successful server. That is how you save a few bucks, destroying your server at the expense of that.

Good point, it will result un the server losing players (surival players) but:
1: The numbers of people not playing anymore because of this are limited, not even 5% of the playerbase I think. But yeah I cannot disagree that it was a big inconvenience that nerfing igs happened 3 WEEKS AFTER the season started and it will have bad results for the server.

2: this wasn’t even my point though xD, this was all about me disagreeing that this “ruins the economy” which I still disagree with. For the rest valid points.

 

[DoctaN208]

Good point, it will result un the server losing players (surival players) but:
1: The numbers of people not playing anymore because of this are limited, not even 5% of the playerbase I think. But yeah I cannot disagree that it was a big inconvenience that nerfing igs happened 3 WEEKS AFTER the season started and it will have bad results for the server.

2: this wasn’t even my point though xD, this was all about me disagreeing that this “ruins the economy” which I still disagree with. For the rest valid points.

1. Literally all the survival players on the forums say otherwise, plus people straight up leaving is not the only, for lack of a better word, point of the the things they are losing (that probably made no sense i literally couldn't think of the right word(s) for it)
2. ive already addressed this earlier

 

[DorisHD]

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Thank you for showing the proof!

 

[DorisHD]

First of all, extremely childish reaction at the end of your comment: “think before saying stuff and saying my name” (and then the “threats” you made about me ‘saying your name in a thread’ even more so), I said multiple times in my post that maybe I’m not enough informed, that I just think … based on the information I have, and all I said was “people LIKE doris who rathe the server 0/10…” so you feeling even a bit “attacked” by this post and telling me to “think again before saying your name” is rather childish.

The main thing I was disagreeing with you about was your “0/10 (yes I know this is an exaggeration but still)” and “survival is ruined”. It’s just not, period. If I had to make a poll (and I did indeed ask around to many people) about 8.5/10 are satisfied with the season.

also you saying “he doesn’t know what he’s doing and he’s ruining survival” is just… well… wrong. He’s a good developer (which most of the staff team also agreed with) and he does know what he’s doing, I don’t think they would have hired him if he didn’t doris .

I won’t go into discussion too much about the fly issue, imo he made some valid points to why it was removed, but again: as i mentioned in my post, I don’t know this for sure and I might be wrong.


Still, all this aside, the fly problem was only a small argument in my post, so if you think the reduced fly time only outside claims (and the nerfing of igs) is that big of a deal that survival is RUINED, then you go ahead and think that it’s your opinion but I just disagree.

See I knew IL will somehow ruin the server. Didn't know how but knew they would and will continue making mistakes. I didn't like the season because it was not the same. Don't feel the same at the start. Fly timer should be scarp it basically scamming and they know it.

I want survival to be alright again. I want IL to be back to its prime in 2020 but the staff team doesn't have the Motivation as the team did in 2020 and made it the IL we all know and love. I think if IL doesn't make big changes soon behind the scene it gonna go downhill very quickly. We now know Fabelz doesn't care about player's enjoyment and only if the server is on 20 tps at ALL times.

There are no valid points on a flight timer imo. It scamming. People brought ranks and the perm /fly to FLY for how long they want.

Fabelz needs to make changes quick or he is out of the door. (Also i want see dark knight to be more active as I think he more qualified then anyone else on the network for the job)

 

[MrChickenBall]

See I knew IL will somehow ruin the server. Didn't know how but knew they would and will continue making mistakes. I didn't like the season because it was not the same. Don't feel the same at the start. Fly timer should be scarp it basically scamming and they know it.

Broskie, it took 9 months for a recode. Fablez had said that the way that the fly worked was causing the server to lag way to much. Not to be rude but it doesn't sound like you read the post from Fablez at all.

I want survival to be alright again. I want IL to be back to its prime in 2020 but the staff team doesn't have the Motivation as the team did in 2020 and made it the IL we all know and love

Part of the issue was skeppy was uploading back then. It was also the height of the covid pandemic and people were staying inside more. People didn't have anything else to do so they thought "oh what the heck lets go play on skeppy's server". If skeppy started uploading on his sever then maybe the server would receive more players.

I think if IL doesn't make big changes soon behind the scene it gonna go downhill very quickly. We now know Fabelz doesn't care about player's enjoyment and only if the server is on 20 tps at ALL times.

Fablez is atleast active unlike the other 2 devs. I haven't heard one thing from DarkKnight or the other dude. If skeppy doesn't start uploading, then yea maybe it can go downhill, but it isn't going to be from Fablez because he is atleast updating the game. If Fablez wasn't hired then I dont think that survival or skyblock would have come back.

There are no valid points on a flight timer imo

Go read the thread lmao, do you want to lag for your entire experience?

It scamming. People brought ranks and the perm /fly to FLY for how long they want.

Once again go read....

Fabelz needs to make changes quick or he is out of the door. (Also i want see dark knight to be more active as I think he more qualified then anyone else on the network for the job)

You can't fire a dev because you are not on the staff team. Only the higher ups can do that. DarkKnight is to busy playing Leauge of Legends to care about the server.

All and all, Don't complain about something if you haven't read what was actually said.

 

[DoctaN208]

Broskie, it took 9 months for a recode. Fablez had said that the way that the fly worked was causing the server to lag way to much. Not to be rude but it doesn't sound like you read the post from Fablez at all.

Part of the issue was skeppy was uploading back then. It was also the height of the covid pandemic and people were staying inside more. People didn't have anything else to do so they thought "oh what the heck lets go play on skeppy's server". If skeppy started uploading on his sever then maybe the server would receive more players.

Fablez is atleast active unlike the other 2 devs. I haven't heard one thing from DarkKnight or the other dude. If skeppy doesn't start uploading, then yea maybe it can go downhill, but it isn't going to be from Fablez because he is atleast updating the game. If Fablez wasn't hired then I dont think that survival or skyblock would have come back.

Go read the thread lmao, do you want to lag for your entire experience?

Once again go read....

You can't fire a dev because you are not on the staff team. Only the higher ups can do that. DarkKnight is to busy playing Leauge of Legends to care about the server.

All and all, Don't complain about something if you haven't read what was actually said.

i love how theres darkknights, lorgen, and the staff also says there is allegedly multiple "ghost" developers for the server, yet it seems like fabelz is the only person thats actually active with the server and actually does anything at all.

 

[MrChickenBall]

and the staff also says there is allegedly multiple "ghost" developers for the server

haven't heard that one lol

yet it seems like fabelz is the only person thats actually active with the server and actually does anything at all.

facts